[MPlayer-users] [PATCH] Getting Rage128 cards to work with xvidix again. :))

[Attila Kinali]

On Wed, 01 May 2002 18:46:09 +0200
Daniel Moreno <comac2k at teleline.es> wrote:

> Think a little bit about it. It's not just one person or two who ends up 
> thinking like this. There must be a reason, dont you think? And... 
> yes... everyone tends to think he does the things right and it's someone 
> else's fault. ;)

Yes, i thought about it long time ago, and in the beginning 
(about a year ago), i tried to give every time a kind reply, 
but after writing more and more mails i got tired and started 
to write short RTFb mails and got harsh too :-(
 
> If mplayer had some moderately nice people answering in the mailing 
> lists, it'd be perfect. ;)

You are perfectly welcome to join the user support team.
At the moment there are just a few people doing it:

Some developers: they dont have much time to do it as they are busy coding,
Gabu: He had a lot of time once... no it's rare to see a mail from him
me: Also not too much of time as i have exams very soon.
a few users: Yes, there are some users writing answers, not much,
not always 100% correct, but they exist

As you see, that's not a lot for that many users.
 
> It's very usual to get rude answers from this list. Or no answer at all. 

ACK

>   Or just a "no". When I see a program having users mailinglists where 
> people can report bugs and so, I think this means there is some sort of 
> "user support".
> 
> But that's not true for mplayer. There is no REAL support of any kind. 
> People's mails are refused or even laughted about without giving them a 
> reason, when someone wants to help fixing something, all you ever tell 
> you is that he's on his own. (it'd be nice a little bit of help from the 
> developers when someone decides to start messing with such a big anb 
> complex peace of code, for instance. Not a tutorial, but just some 
> general ideas and tips)

Oh, that's easy: read the files in DOCS/tech ;-)
And there is nothing that beats the RTFS, especialy
with a fast moving project like mplayer (docs are 
sometimes outdated a week after they have been written)


> The policy here is to use users. If a user can bring something to 
> mplayer, he's welcome. Otherwise he'd better fuck off.

Yes, and where is the problem ? I dont have the time to explain
everyone how to set up Xv or how to install the windows dlls.
So i expect that the ppl do a bit of RTFM or at least a grep
over DOCS/.

> The number of mails that have been really taken into account since I'm 
> here is veeeeery small. (and telling me that you just cared about the 
> ones that really deserved it, is being elitist/arrogant, no matter if 
> you want to admit it or not)

Really ? If you would read -dev-eng or -cvs-log the image would change.
It's just that not everything a developer does get's into a mail
send to -users afterwards. Also a lot of communication is going
over irc (both on user and developer channel).
BTW: for those who dont know it yet, there is a #mplayer channel on OPN
and yes, we could need some help answering questions there (most of them
are very low level, so anybody who did RTFM could answer them)
 
> But, when I first came and asked I didn't know if there was someone else 
> still working on vidix-ati. I had seen in the archives at least 2 more 
> persons asking but found no answer at all. If I just was told Nick had 
> left and there was no one taking his place and, maybe, someone ofering a 
> little bit of help to get started fixing it, then I wouldn't have this 
> bad idea about you now.

You know, communication is the biggest problem of the world :)
 
> > Looks like you are a bit arrogant yourself....
> 
> Yes. I am. :)
> But at least I admit it. };)
> I used to think I was a developer very difficult to talk to and someone 
> who always made fun of "non-elite" users... until I joined this 
> mailinlist and I saw I'm a newbie in that. ;)

Heh... you havent seen the list a half a year ago..
it's gotten really quiet here :)
 
> BTW: before someone gets unnecesarily angry: it's not that I'm angry 
> with mplayer team or anything. It's just that I'm too sincere and I say 
> thinks just like I see them. Sorry if I'm rude sometimes. O;)

		
		Attila Kinali

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Israel, where the first genocide of this century takes place.