[MPlayer-dev-eng] Lots of stuff for NUT

[Michael Niedermayer]

Hi

On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 05:12:40PM -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 10:54:16PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 04:30:20PM -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 09:34:03PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > > > > hmm, why not simply make larger decode_delay illegal?
> > > 
> > > Impossible; it's not known. What if I set B frame strategy to 1, and
> > > the encoder decides never to use a B frame? Then my file is illegal!
> > > Or, even if it does eventually use a B frame, the partly written file
> > > is illegal until it gets to the B frame. Any law that can only be
> > > evaluated by looking globally at the file rather than locally at all
> > > parts is inherently broken.
> > 
> > no, thats wrong, in mpeg1/2/4 theres a flag (low_delay) in the header 
> > which specifies the delay, if low_delay=0 b frames are allowed but even if
> > there are none the delay is still 1 not 0, having the demuxer produce 
> > dts=pts frames in this case is _wrong_
> > 
> > furthermore using mts ordering does not remove the need to know decode
> > delay exactly as decode_delay is needed for calculating DTS
> 
> OK, I think we're thinking about things from different perspectives.
> Your perspective is that dts corresponds to something outside of NUT,
> and that NUT demuxer needs to provide correct dts to the codec/player.
> I think this is reasonable for mpeg1/2/4, but maybe not for all codecs
> in general. What if there's a hypothetical codec that's never intended
> to be used with one-in-one-out delayed decoding and that has no sense
> of dts? What is the correct decode_delay to use then? Or..maybe we
> think all codecs should define delay. That's a view I personally tend
> to agree with, but uau seems to think the opposite..

if there is no one-one in out correspondance then pts will be gone not dts
dts are the times at which you must feed a packet into the decoder pts
are the times of when the packets come out if a packet has no clearly defined
out theres no pts

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Michael